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Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.

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Afternoon, as the case may be, welcome indeed to Speak Easy.

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After several weeks of poems and fares and such likes,

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today's Speak Easy is different, considerably different,

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because we are looking at the question of unidentified flying objects.

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We are down in our usual home of Speak Easy in the Palace Theatre in Lower Regent Street in London,

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and we have got our usual packed theatre of some three parts and souls.

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I am going to say first of all, I am going to do it this way on today's show,

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I am going to ask the audience who believes in unidentified flying objects,

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and who doesn't, I am going to have a vote on it,

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and at the end of the programme, we will have another vote on it,

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and see if anybody has changed their mind.

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Not that we have to change people's minds, we are listening to opinions solely,

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but first of all, might we have hands from all our audience for the people

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who actually believe that there are unidentified flying objects about from other topics,

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who actually believe it.

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Hands down, hands down, and our people who don't believe it,

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who don't believe that there are any, you cross about.

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I should say actually, that it is in slightly in favour of the fact that there are unidentified flying objects about.

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It was almost 50-50-ish, but slightly in favour of the believers,

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which is very good, because we have on the platform with Dr Kit Peddler,

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who is a scientist, I believe Dr Kit, you are an ophthalmologist as well, haven't you?

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Yes, I am.

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An ophthalmologist for anybody who doesn't know,

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is Jampan who looks at eyes and things,

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and Kit, of course, is far more famous for writing the Do-M-Watch series for television.

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We have got Rex Dutton, who has just published a book about flying saucers,

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which Rex is called, it's called Flying Sources of Viewpoint,

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looking at it from the viewpoint of the saucers themselves.

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Right?

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Keith Palmer, who is the director of the International Unidentified Flying Object Research Association,

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and Keith Robertson, who is the secretary of the Atherious Society.

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Now, which of the Keith's has written the book?

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There's a Keith's written the book.

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No, it's Dr Kit, isn't it?

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Yes, yes.

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You've written the book about flying saucers.

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Not about flying saucers, you know, you've got the wrong book, I don't know.

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I've written a Do-M-Watch book with another author, J. J. Geist,

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but that's not even your flying saucer.

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A Do-M-Watch book, right?

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Right in which the studio gets destroyed, I should add.

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This studio gets destroyed?

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I see.

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We gave you a fair warning.

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Can we have, again, those homes of people who didn't believe in UFOs,

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who didn't believe in them?

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Just take the first one here, Mr. Wroving Mike.

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Why don't you believe in them, Governor?

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Well, I'm trying to give you a very reason,

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but I've had no evidence that such a thing exists.

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If somebody gave you evidence, would you change your mind then?

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It'd be reasonable.

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Right, coming to this side, there's gentlemen out there.

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Why don't you believe in them?

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Well, it's mostly our cartoons, you see it,

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and you know, I may just leave the leaf, they think.

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But there are people here who will feel that it's quite true.

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It will be...

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It's all imagination, isn't it?

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It's all imagination.

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Would you change your mind if you saw one?

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I'd do it.

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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

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That's known as an open-minded thought.

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Yes.

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Seeing is not believing.

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Right, anybody who believes in them then,

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anybody who believes in them,

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take that shit, then, why do you believe in them?

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Well, I don't see why things shouldn't exist.

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Why should we be any civilisation or people alive,

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less than the universes?

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Right, right.

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I will take one more of the believers, then we'll have two of these.

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One more believer. Have you got another believer on the front row?

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Yes.

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I believe in them because I've actually seen one.

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Where?

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When?

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It must have been about a couple of years ago.

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Do you want me to describe it?

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Well, I looked up and there was a globe, a globe in the sky,

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and I looked really closer and I found it was moving.

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It was lying in the sky, but first I thought it was a comet,

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but then there wasn't a trail, so I thought, not that.

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Was it day or night?

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Night, yes.

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And I thought, well, it must be a satellite,

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because there must be signs of it going on the Earth.

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And finally it fell, it was made stationary,

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and then it took off and disappeared from the flat.

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How old are you?

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I'm 21.

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You're from about 16, actually.

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Wait a minute. Did you believe in...

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For the sake of the programme, ladies and gentlemen,

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we'll call unidentified flying objects UFOs after this,

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because I can't keep saying that because we talk too successful.

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Did you believe in UFOs before you saw that?

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No, I didn't.

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How do you ever thought about them?

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How do you read about them in the papers?

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I hadn't really...

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made any ask for that, but it's only when I actually saw that,

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that I began to read things about it, maybe it was the comet.

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Did you tell anybody that you'd seen it?

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Yes, I actually...

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I forgot what happened.

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I contacted the radio from an organisation.

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It's called the BBC.

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No, it wasn't the BBC.

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No, it was an organisation,

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and all people reported things that they'd seen,

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and it may have been news, it may not have been.

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I don't know how to...

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From that date, you've been firmly convinced that there are unidentified flying objects?

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Yes, I also know many people who've seen them.

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You do? Do you belong to any organisation now?

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Yes, I belong to the Athero Society.

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Ah, of which we have the secretary up here.

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Chief, at this point, tell us what the Athero Society is.

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The Athero Society in the first place is to propagate,

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as many people as possible, information and teachings that we are receiving

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through our leader, Dr King, from space intelligences themselves.

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Dr King in the first place is a yogi,

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and this we believe is the one and only true science on this earth or on any other earth.

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It's a science whereby the person that practices it must prove to himself these things,

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and of course in this world today it is very difficult, we understand, to get this message across.

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How do you stand in relation to unidentified flying objects then?

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In other words, the yogi thing there is okay, but it's not actually what we're going to talk about today.

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I know it has to come in at some point, but how do you stand your association in response to the flying source?

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We believe in them. Several of us have seen them over the years.

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We believe that they are coming to this earth to awaken people on this earth to certain facts regarding the universe,

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and we believe they've been seen by thousands of people over the past, at least the past 25 years.

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Where do they come from?

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Mainly from the planets Mars, Venus, Jupiter, Saturn, those planets in the main.

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I see, because Kit, what would you say about that?

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Well what I'd say is this, I don't, there are a few or four categories this type of statement could belong to.

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The first in making it could be preconditions here, I don't believe what he said.

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The first in making it could have been due by somebody else, yogi there or whoever it was.

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Thirdly, he could be, I'm not saying he has any of these categories. Thirdly, he could be conund people, or fourthly, he could be something that he meant as third.

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That's my, now I'm understanding which of these categories to question.

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Now do you think that there are some things that's wrong, cross with Kit?

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I'd like to also avoid him a bit, Jimmy, I believe that there are things in the air which appear in time to time, which have no explanation that I know about.

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I prefer to take that standpoint.

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Right, so therefore would you like, I think, that these things could be visited from other planets, or is it just period, you just don't know what they are, and they could be?

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I think that they could be extraterrestrial devices, some sort, it's an interesting idea, but there's absolutely no evidence for this, not ever, and I do like evidence.

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Right, which is also an advertisement because there's a great gasp there from Pete Roberts, who will give us a little closer, but there's somebody in the audience who wants to say...

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I don't believe that these scientific sources come from the finite, finite margin of being in Jupiter, because there's the wrong sort, but when one thinks how many other worlds there must be in the galaxy, with similar conditions to ours,

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and one must accept that other life forms must exist far more intelligent than our own, which are capable of traveling to Earth, and obviously interested, but find out about it, so I believe very strongly that there must be UFOs.

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Why do you think they are more intelligent than our own life forms?

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Well, the first thing is that man developed very late, and nobody in the other galaxy developed, but man developed very late, other life forms could have developed earlier, and other parts of the galaxy must become more intelligent.

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Do you think that any of these life forms could have landed on Earth, on Earth?

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It's possible. I don't know, maybe they don't want to.

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You're not saying that the association over here, you're just a member of the public who feels...

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Yeah, man in the street.

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Man in the street. Thank you very much indeed.

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Do you want to?

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Yes, you're right.

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Yes, I am.

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I'd like to challenge that statement, although those four statements made just now in response to Keith Robertson.

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I'm not a member of his society, but have been investigating sources, and I ask us all in truth, particularly our kit who made those statements, where did we get such conceit?

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Simply to make four statements, writing down a man, I would ask on what grounds, and we get a labor slug out, scientists, which is just like any other labor, what of us does it mean?

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If it means anything in truth, it means proper investigation.

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And has the investigation been done by a man who made four such ridiculous and rude statements to a stranger?

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I would challenge him because I would say that 3,000 known contacts, known contacts.

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Now if somebody here wishes to challenge that statement, first question I will ask is, name those 3,000 people.

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If you don't even know their name, let alone have read their story, let alone have examined what life has you got to say they were false.

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Who did you want to talk to that first of all?

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Anybody who cares to do it.

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You talk to one person first of all?

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If you like that, I'm perfectly prepared to be convinced at any time that these things are real, that I would prefer to see some evidence.

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I would not like to listen to any more hearsay reports.

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Now many people who allegedly think they're real produce photographs.

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And these photographs, surprise, surprise, are put up to American United States Air Force to see where the photographs have been faked.

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But of course it hasn't been faked because if you put a source of them in the air and take a photograph of these, it's supposed to be genuine photographs.

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You find source of them.

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So this is it?

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This is the chest?

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At this point, at this point, I can say that the Windows programs were going to run out of time before we even started.

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But we have got, as always on speaking, a group with four pieces of music and a group is Steelers Wheel and here they are with the first piece.

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I'm day of the manner, the bill is looking better than a match made to work through all his things.

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Come stream Lord, when the winter shine, it'll make his way down to the mind, the law that does deal with trouble.

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It seems I forget there, but there lies the truth.

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And I say, come again, when the steam goes low.

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You fell by the time he had his doubt in the mind, he said, let's go go back down again.

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Come again, when the steam goes low.

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Come again, when the steam goes low.

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Come again, when the steam goes low.

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Come again, when the steam goes low.

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I'm thinking that day, because they're coming to an end.

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He's always thinking, he's always thinking that someday we have to go.

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Come again, when the steam goes low.

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It seems I forget there, it seems I forget.

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Come again, when the steam goes low.

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Come again, when the steam goes low.

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Steam as wheel is the name of our group today.

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Now, first of all, Chief Palmer is the director of the International Unidentified Flying Objects Research Association.

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Keith Eupo, I call him Keith Eupo because we've got two Keiths here with us today.

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Keith Eupo, what evidence have you got that such things are about evidence?

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No evidence at all, unfortunately.

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No evidence, none whatsoever.

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What have you got done as hearsay?

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The most distinctive piece of hearsay that you've sent to the ministry?

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We've sent our reports to the ministry, it depends.

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I'm not going to investigate them as much as I can.

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Now, have you actually seen one then?

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I've seen several.

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Now, tell us what you saw because then its first hand...

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I've just seen hard-fired objects, I did see a large object in London in 1966.

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That was extremely large.

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I've been told it was a mirror, I did see it at 3 o'clock in the morning.

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Did anybody else see it?

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Several other witnesses, yes.

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I see.

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Dr. Keith, would you say that all the sightings that there are of objects in the sky,

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would you say that there is some form of mirage-top reason for them?

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Would you think that anything would physically happen?

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Because some people have great credibility, like all our pilots and policemen and stuff like that.

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I'd like to comment on that.

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There's no doubt, whatever, that very hard-headed people who would have last to want to make tricks of themselves

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have not seen something.

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There's no doubt about it, as you mentioned earlier, I'm tired of talking there,

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and some of the more interesting observations, I think, that where they have been quite rarely,

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simultaneously as visual and radar sightings or observations or reflections,

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I'd no doubt, whatever, that sincere and good people of good observational capability

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have not seen something.

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But I'm totally and completely unwilling to believe in the type of explanation offered by some of our panelists tonight.

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I'd much rather start from normal ideas, if then I'm forced to abandon those.

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I'm perfectly happy to believe in anything the evidence shows up.

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I'm not trying to sort of fit a sort of negative guru and chuck it all away.

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I'm simply saying that human beings are famous for being by what they honestly think it's observed,

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not by some romantic ideology they want to hang on to.

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That's a good one for gentlemen in the second row, they go for...

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I heard you ask the gentleman sitting on your left and the man on your right there.

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You were talking about objects, not of seen objects, and all that.

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Do you honestly and truthfully believe that such thing of what a green man goes and marries an estate?

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Do you honestly believe that?

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You're asking the question.

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Not little green men, no. This is one of the myths that have grown up from people who are skeptical.

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You've identified five, five, six.

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No, not at all.

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The evidence for flying saucers is overwhelming and you can go back for years.

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I said 25 years, you can go back thousands of years and find well-authenticated reports of craft visiting this earth right away into antiquity.

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Especially since the end of the war, of course, as my friends have already said,

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airline pilots, policemen in staffer chair a few weeks ago, goes on and on and on.

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The evidence is building up more and more as the weeks go by.

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In your book about flying saucers, give us a trace of what you feel about them.

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The sources exist and the landings and there is evidence.

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Particularly on this point of evidence, if I would like to take up the issue,

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the statement was made that people have not seen any evidence.

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Why not? Have you looked?

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Here is my question.

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There are 3,000 people who say they have had contact.

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If you have not examined that evidence, you don't even know their names.

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Let know of met the people or read their stories.

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How in the name of truth can you say there is no evidence?

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Have you done any?

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Yes, I have.

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So this is your trouble.

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And as for photographs, of course you can throw up a 4-dop cap and photograph it.

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Does that mean there are no real photographs?

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Would you like to know about one done by a government?

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No, each and every government.

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I describe it in the book.

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There are 20 photographic clips of the sun.

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They sent up two aircraft, 50 scientists aboard, hand-picked equipment.

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They did their clips of the sun.

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They were descending.

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There were 10,000 feet.

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And suddenly all separately two aircraft, 50 scientists,

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all saw these two sources, metallic, silver, maneuvering.

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The chief common man highly unpacks his equipment

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to get a 10-second color film of these two sources, metallic, maneuvering, in 10,000 feet up.

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Now honestly, Jim, can you imagine the chief common man on the spur of the moment

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at 10,000 feet faking such a film?

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Now that film is here.

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We've shown it frame by frame.

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There are very large number of frames in 10 seconds of color film.

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And have people examined that before they said they were all faked?

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Right.

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And if I were...

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If one man's eyes can be determined for murder, how many thousands of pairs of eyes does it take

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for people to begin to think it's subject seriously?

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We are taking it seriously.

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Yes, I'm sure.

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Yes, indeed.

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But the government doesn't take it seriously.

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It seems to work.

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We have this fantastic number of citers.

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Why is there not an open organization where we have to sort of go behind the backs of the

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sort of defence ministry?

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Why don't they come out and say what they really believe?

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Yeah, but they're not telling what evidence the ministry of individual hair has.

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Well, the Ministry of Defence are stating that these objects don't always exist,

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but they do state that some of them could be aircraft,

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but they still would fly percent they can't explain alone.

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And what, they're not going to fly?

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Maybe, actually.

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Sorry, sorry, sorry.

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I think there was when I got up this morning.

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Yes.

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I'm not saying that I don't believe in the US laws, but putting fast the things that

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have started just be left over safe and on the following mission or something,

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on the example that we've got there.

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A lady down the front said that she saw something glowing up in the sky.

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Surely it could be a path from the following space past and the moon shining on it and

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the same, you know, on the daytime sunshine on it.

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It could be.

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A quick one from the minister.

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Not a craft that's estimated at travelling at 4,000 miles an hour, stops dead in its

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tracks, immediately makes a 90 degree turn and goes off at 4,000 miles an hour in the

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direction.

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Nothing on this earth could possibly duplicate that.

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Right.

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Time for our next piece of music from Steve Israel.

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Now then, Gaffers, once we start talking about an identified flying object, there'll be

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all sorts of people saying all sorts of things which could possibly bring the whole question

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into dispute and people are asked to believe all sorts of things.

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And we'll look right here from the Vanbury UFOs and they say that police searched an area

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after a telephone call saying children on this state had been terrified by the objects

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being 8 feet tall, hot white in colour with furry skin and large eyes, one foot apart,

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and a pointed beard.

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Now then, Keith, you felt this came from one of your...

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That's what it was actually.

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It's about 40 miles from there.

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Now are you claiming, because you put this out in print, are you claiming that this came

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from outer space?

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Not so much.

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Our association, the International UFO Research Association did investigate this particular

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and they'll wait for it.

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They turn out to be goats.

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Goats?

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No, no, not classified because you see, you must understand that it's not meant for at home

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because when we're dealing with a thing like this, laughter is a natural emotion and I should

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think if you were seeing anything with it, horns and a pointed beard, you might freak us

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out a lot.

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This boat was actually eating a fortice from a tree.

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Oh, actually, only not.

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I see.

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The nine bubbles.

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This is what we're here to research into.

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We're here to research into it.

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Another one here from your people, an 18-year-old girl claims to have seen a large hairy object

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entering some woods near the...

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Did you find out what that was?

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That also was one of the goats.

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That was a goat.

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I see.

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So that one is explained away.

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You can rip that one up, then, Jim.

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I could rip this one up.

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They both explained away because I must say this afternoon it got us up into it a little bit.

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I don't know what I'm saying.

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I don't know what I'm saying.

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I don't know what I'm saying.

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So, anyway, because I must say this afternoon it got us up into it a little bit.

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I was going to have to read about hairy objects entering woods and things like that

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and asking people at home to believe that they came from Africa.

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But if you examined them and found their best what we're here for, I'm sure.

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You remember, ladies and gentlemen, that they laughed at Mark Cohen it when he said

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he could tell words around the world.

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They laughed at him at the time.

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But it turned out to be right.

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So we have an entirely open mind on this and there's a gentleman up there.

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I have an open mind on this too, but I wondered whether the panel

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considered that these beings from another world are hostile to us

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or whether they're favorable to us because that affects how seriously I take them

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and how I regard them.

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Are they hostile intentions or not?

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Well, considering the time they've been seen,

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if they were hostile they would have done something about it a long time ago, I think, for found.

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The mere fact that they've been seen, vehicles of apparent peace

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and indeed their practices have proved that they are entirely peaceful.

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There's been no aggression from them, reported aggression from some part of the world

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which have been proved as hoaxes afterwards.

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Well, they'll get you out of that.

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Can I come in here for a minute because let's start from one very good statement

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on the possibility of life elsewhere.

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It's made by Fred Hoyle.

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He said, if you just consider the law of chance for them,

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don't mention anything else, somewhere in a planetary system on another star.

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There's a cricket team to beat Australia.

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So I think life elsewhere in the universe is very probable.

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But quite frankly, this sort of report is sort of cross between Dr. Hoot and I might say ghosts.

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Yes, yes.

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Before we go on to our friend in the audience there, the Christians think of extraterrestrial beings as angels,

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but science fiction depicts them all as threatening people.

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Is that purely from a commercial point of view?

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No, because this is again a sort of curious human conceit.

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We have to interpret the possibility of other forms of intelligence if they possessed our own.

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If we ever came face to face with some other form of life, such is our conceit

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and our besetting of obsession with us.

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We might go to look at it all the time.

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Yes, of course, in the power of missions for instance, the appreciation of life, LRF,

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is something biological which can actually change, multiply under whatever an anobic point of view is.

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Life in the newspapers as we read it might be with two arms and two legs in pain in our mind.

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There's a great difference, yes, there's somebody up there.

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I don't believe in plant sources.

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I really believe in plants in here, I can't believe it.

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For instance, the Americans and the Russians have been up there,

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the powers have mowed up and the power of missions are up there.

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The person that says he can believe in the plant sources, he can believe in the mumps drop and the enough mess.

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I'm afraid that gentleman is totally misinformed.

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The Americans and the Russians have seen very great evidence and have photographed

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nearly all the Apollo flights and before that the Germany have doubt.

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The major damage who is in charge of Germany lets it slip at a big dinner,

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National Space Association dinner and got wrapped over enough of afterwards.

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But, Kami, do you see, Jimmy, what's happened to your audience?

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When 1950 sources first came into the news, 1947, Gallup did a poll,

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only 30% believed in them. Tonight when you asked for a vote before we started, nearly 60% did.

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And they've done this because of the evidence of the sightings coming through in spite of the official blanket.

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Because there is, as the gentleman there said, a cadian official blanket.

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When you get pilots and trained people saying it and approving it and giving reports, including Major David,

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and then being told he was, he was merely ice crystal.

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Why do you think they put an official blanket?

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Well, not. This is the most interesting thing and much dealt with and in my book I deal with it fully.

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The gentleman there who said, we're very hostile because all that would depend his attitude.

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This is our viewpoint from planet Earth. Why can't we look at it the other way?

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Sources might be quite neutral. They're clearly an off-hoc style because, as it's been said,

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if they had been they would have done something millions of years ago because they've been here ages.

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But why do we fear them? They might in fact be here to help.

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If you like, Angelic hosts of the Christian Kingdom, they might be quite neutral things.

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We need to investigate this. And one of the investigations is why don't you read the stories of the context?

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Right? There's nothing more?

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I'm all for UFOs. But...

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Go back to these flying goats or whatever they were saying at my home.

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If people, if a child can exaggerate about a goat,

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surely 50 scientists in a plane or something, things something that looks out of this world,

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surely they can exaggerate as well.

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They filmed it. The film in color exists there.

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What the goat?

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Oh, no, that was the Norwegian government.

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And that is one of the governments which has openly admitted the reality of sources.

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There are six others. Did you know that?

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Certain governments have admitted the reality of sources.

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Right? Which are they getting?

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They're mostly South America. They're Venezuela, Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, Philippines and Norway.

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In that corner, chronological order. But they still are certain governments.

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Why is that not known?

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Why do you think that they keep an official blanket on it?

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I have not asked you. The question is here are certain governments who admitted the reality publicly, Norway being one.

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Why didn't we know in England?

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Right, probably.

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Just let's say the gentleman there said why haven't our astronauts seen evidence of law?

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What they have.

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If photograph, he just asked that question.

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We've only just taken aspects into space. Why can't they come from beyond there?

469
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,000
Right.

470
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:42,000
And so, going back to the gait, nobody ever disproved the case of the flat woods months for America.

471
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,000
There was a great deal of evidence for that.

472
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:51,000
Right, right. Thank you very much indeed. Come down here, Mr. Roving, Mark, because I was talking to an American young lady.

473
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:57,000
I can't tell you what she did just now, but she was saying that when she was in the state, there was a great number of sightings.

474
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:05,000
And one day, I went to examine the next morning, which is the USAF base, the next morning, and there was a large patch burnt in the middle of the wood.

475
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:12,000
And the flat woods, there were six in the districts all around, scattered over the area. Not one, six.

476
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,000
Well, that's not the case.

477
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:20,000
I'd just like to thank Mr. Dutter up on the question of censorship on the flying saucers and on the journalists.

478
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:28,000
And I have, in fact, had experience of a flying saucer story being sent from out of the National Press in this country.

479
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:36,000
Yes, thank you, sir. And we all could give many examples. Would you like to know about Mexico City?

480
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,000
Well, yes, demonstration.

481
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:46,000
But first of all, ask my journalist friend, Dana, why do you think editors would edit that out of a paper?

482
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:53,000
Well, I think partly because they're scared of being laughed at as far as sleep street is concerned.

483
00:40:53,000 --> 00:41:02,000
That's probably the most common reason. But secondly, I do believe, and I certainly know some of my journalistic friends believe this as well,

484
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:09,000
that there has been, at some stage, an instruction not to publish flying saucer material.

485
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,000
Yes, the denoters.

486
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,000
The denoters system is not the...

487
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,000
Well, I guess I'm not 100% sure. But first of all...

488
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,000
Yes, there's Mexico City.

489
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:27,000
Often the uninformed, because excuse me saying this, the uninformed, those who say, oh, I've got an open mind, but I never look at the evidence.

490
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,000
I'm not going to make any effort.

491
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:34,000
The uninformed say that never saucers have never appeared over a major city.

492
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:43,000
Over Mexico City, they have a National Hall this September the 15th, saucers appeared in groups, not singly.

493
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:50,000
All the Mexicans saw them, the traffic stopped, they were in a boulevard with traffic jams.

494
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:55,000
All right, the whole of Mexico City was tight because it was a fierce today.

495
00:41:55,000 --> 00:42:00,000
But saucers returned for 21 consecutive days.

496
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:10,000
21. And the boulevard, the jammed with traffic, the stores were selling monopolies, there were films, photographs, and all.

497
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,000
None of this was reported here. Why not?

498
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,000
Right, right.

499
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,000
Well, just now, everyone was laughing when they said, oh, like in Goats.

500
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:25,000
But why should we be so vain to have seen all intelligent life, to have our own...

501
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,000
Yeah, yeah.

502
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,000
That's true.

503
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,000
...to have a human being of the sort.

504
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:34,000
I quite prepared to believe that intelligent life elsewhere is much more intelligent.

505
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,000
It's much more differently intelligent.

506
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:43,000
But one thing I would like to say about this growing acceptance of the idea of Mr. Dutter,

507
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:52,000
I believe this is a very important aspect of why a large number of people believe in flying saucers.

508
00:42:52,000 --> 00:43:00,000
It is because this generation in 1971 is absolutely out of credible myth.

509
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:06,000
We have long since, most of us cease to believe in God, Jesus' resurrection of the afterlife,

510
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,000
so that we have now found ourselves leading a way.

511
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:15,000
So if somebody comes along and says, oh, people are there and flying ships,

512
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:20,000
they are much more likely now than ever before to hang on to it, not a desperate one.

513
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,000
I'm not saying it's like in Grumson's view, but...

514
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,000
There's nothing savior myth about a color film.

515
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,000
I've got nothing to say about it.

516
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,000
Oh, thank you, Ardent.

517
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,000
Ardent, Ardent, Ardent.

518
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,000
I should like make a big of that.

519
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,000
Okay, we've got several of these saucers floated around upstairs.

520
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:45,000
Have any of these saucers ever tried to make contact at all through a juggle bank or somewhere like this?

521
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:50,000
Well, we have got a piece of tape that the...

522
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,000
Well, what do you call the audio, Dr. King?

523
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,000
Is he the boss of the good mother?

524
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,000
He's the man in charge of the...

525
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,000
The man in charge of the Aethery of society.

526
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,000
Now, Ardent, we're just going to play a piece of tape in a second.

527
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,000
Let me explain first what it is.

528
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:12,000
Dr. King, for the Aethery of society, goes into a trance,

529
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:20,000
and he says that during this trance, he is sent messages from people of outer space.

530
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:25,000
And in this particular piece of tape we have of Dr. King in the trance,

531
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,000
he is using his own voice, as you can well imagine,

532
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:33,000
but it's his voice first, and when his voice changes,

533
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:39,000
this is then the message that he's getting from the captain of a Martian spaceship.

534
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:43,000
And also under there, we'll play the tape right now.

535
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:49,000
Sector 8, Mars, General Information.

536
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:59,000
We are now starting a communication wheel, a large vessel just coming into land.

537
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:11,000
Calling then, Nixie is 0, 0, 0, sector 1, 6.

538
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:16,000
Nixie is 0, 0, 0, sector 1, 6.

539
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:21,000
Magnetic beam has now taken control.

540
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:28,000
You are 100 net-heats from the surface of the planet itself.

541
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:40,000
You will come to rest within one quarter of a second of the predetermined mission.

542
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,000
Does that satisfy you?

543
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:49,000
Oh dear, it certainly does. Absolutely astounding.

544
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,000
Right now that was the trance.

545
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,000
Thank you.

546
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:06,000
That was a piece of tape. Now then, here is Keith from the Ethereal Society about that.

547
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:15,000
Well first of all I'd like to explain that a somatic trance is something that the Yogis of India have been practicing for thousands of years.

548
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:30,000
It's a system whereby the Yogis' conscious mind is completely inhibited so that the higher aspect of mind can be taken over by an outside force.

549
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,000
In this case, a space intelligence.

550
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:43,000
Onto that yogi is placed at what we call a magnetic beam and down that beam is sent thought-impulses.

551
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:51,000
The mere fact that Dr King is an Englishman means that the thought-impulses will be translated into English.

552
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,000
If he was a German, the language would be in German.

553
00:46:55,000 --> 00:47:04,000
It's Dr King's voice but the original thought-impulses are from an extraterrestrial life force.

554
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:09,000
And you and your followers, you and your members should I say, forgive the fusing of your followers,

555
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:16,000
that you and your members are quite convinced that that was, as we say, a culture thing.

556
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:30,000
Absolutely. Over a number of years of studying these things, a few years ago these intelligences gave forecasts of flying saucers, sightings that were due,

557
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:41,000
and blow me down a few days later they were there in the press, spot on time and in the locations that they were given.

558
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:45,000
Next piece of music from Steelers Wheel.

559
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:11,000
I don't know where I will

560
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:17,000
You see the heart

561
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:28,000
You see the face of the past

562
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,000
You see the light

563
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:39,000
You see the face of the past

564
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:50,000
You see the face of the past

565
00:48:51,000 --> 00:49:00,000
You see the face of the past

566
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:12,000
I know you are a good man

567
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:19,000
Maybe you know

568
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:29,000
I know

569
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:36,000
Maybe you know

570
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:46,000
You see the face of the past

571
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:58,000
You see the face of the past

572
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:08,000
I know you are a good man

573
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:20,000
Maybe you know

574
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:30,000
I know

575
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:38,000
Maybe you know

576
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:47,000
I know

577
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:55,000
Maybe you know

578
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:08,000
Maybe you know

579
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:27,000
That's called maybe tomorrow, rather than Keith Palmer. What do you want to say?

580
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:36,000
Well I'd like to say to Keith Robinson that you don't expect that all these people out here have got to believe that that table in George King was true.

581
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:45,000
Because I was a serious research ufologist. I'm sorry I just can't believe that it is true. I'm sorry the audience agreed me.

582
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,000
The other point is have you investigated this?

583
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,000
I'm investigating UFOs.

584
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:54,000
Yes UFOs but have you investigated the other aspect of it?

585
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,000
Why is there a UFO?

586
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:00,000
If they are coming here now, they are not called UFOs are they?

587
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,000
They are flying saucers.

588
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,000
They are not flying saucers. They are on an authentic flying object.

589
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,000
Are they?

590
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,000
They are on a flying object.

591
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:17,000
I'm going back to that very very interesting tape. Could you just put me off my ID? What on earth is a book?

592
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,000
It's for me.

593
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,000
Oh you've got it.

594
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:29,000
Right hang on, hang on. There's a gentleman down the front going to tell you. Just run down there Mr. O'Han, do one of your sprints and the gentleman going to tell you what the zuck is.

595
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:37,000
I'm not going to tell you what the zuck is. I just think it would be a philosopher Whitehead had a well known which I think is quite bad here.

596
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:43,000
He said all really original ideas have an aspect of foolishness.

597
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:54,000
When they are produced, I don't think that doesn't make these things even valid because if you were to find out you'd say a dollar later they wouldn't even look through his telescope.

598
00:52:54,000 --> 00:53:02,000
Well I mean it's quite possible that a Martian would turn around and say what the blaze is an image.

599
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,000
Yes.

600
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:13,000
I'm just going to put it this way. I've got no idea what the zuck is. Is that a measurement?

601
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:20,000
I believe we understand it's something like a quarter of an inch.

602
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,000
How do we know that?

603
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,000
How do we know that?

604
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:24,000
Like a zuck?

605
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:28,000
No it's right. A zuck is something like a quarter of an inch.

606
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:37,000
Well I don't object at all to the Aetherian society believing that this type of recording has a sense of reality about you.

607
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:48,000
I think simply that they are deluded in believing this is any moral than Dr. King having some sort of internal ab reaction in his head.

608
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,000
I don't see anything to do with Mars whatever.

609
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:58,000
I'll go back to it again. I think this is another piece of evidence for the people like the Aetherians.

610
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:07,000
They simply want Romantic State to have a myth regardless of any scientific proof or any evidence of intellectual respectively.

611
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:08,000
Right.

612
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:18,000
At that point I believe after the millions of planets it is possible for another planet to develop some rockets or other.

613
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:28,000
I find it hard to believe that they are able to transmit to people to their brain to tell them what is happening and where they're going to land.

614
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,000
Right. Next law.

615
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,000
Give them a little lesson.

616
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,000
Going back to what the gentleman on the panel said before.

617
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:39,000
Our concept of UFOs replaces our concept of religion and God.

618
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,000
Well I'm sorry.

619
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,000
I can't believe in it.

620
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,000
I do believe in God and I believe in UFOs too.

621
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,000
Why can't God create another life and have a place to.

622
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:56,000
I think man believes in UFOs now generally because man knowledge has been widened.

623
00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:02,000
He's how big the universe is and how possible it will be for men from other planets.

624
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,000
Well not men.

625
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,000
Other life.

626
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:05,000
Thank you.

627
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:06,000
Come down the front here Mr.

628
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:11,000
I don't know because there's a beautiful dollabed in the front there and she's going to say something.

629
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:12,000
Right.

630
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,000
The second which is.

631
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,000
I'd like to back up.

632
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,000
What is going to say.

633
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:25,000
Actually I think that my ego is so tremendous that he cannot appreciate the fact that others

634
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,000
can be more advanced than he is.

635
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:33,000
And I think this is the reason for a lot of excuse me for saying so.

636
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:38,000
And that that kid had left and remarked.

637
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:39,000
He cannot.

638
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:48,000
He seems to not be able to give credit that there should be more advanced people who can

639
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:54,000
communicate in this particular way and who indeed do communicate in this way.

640
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,000
You mean more advanced people on earth right.

641
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,000
No more advanced people in this system.

642
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,000
Right.

643
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:05,000
Could I come down and answer that Katie because I think she's on the video then Jesse.

644
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:12,000
What I meant to say with this I'm perfectly prepared to accept that there may be aspects

645
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:17,000
of intelligence elsewhere in the universe that make us look like children.

646
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,000
I rather hope it's true.

647
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:23,000
But as yet I cannot see any evidence of it.

648
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,000
I'm not being arrogant in saying what a great species ever.

649
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:32,000
I'm simply saying that we are in fact still relatively destructive children and the course

650
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:38,000
of maybe I would say it is much more much more advanced much more lucid much more creative

651
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,000
that I am simply saying I want evidence.

652
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:42,000
Please.

653
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:46,000
Well over there I believe myself that we've been watched for some time and we're still

654
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,000
being watched.

655
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:48,000
Why are you.

656
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,000
Why do you think that.

657
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:54,000
Well why we can do it while we can do no harm.

658
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,000
We're OK.

659
00:56:56,000 --> 00:57:03,000
As soon as we can do these other planets from harm and we'll be proud of it.

660
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:04,000
Right.

661
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,000
You're saying as soon as they find this hostile they're going to chop us.

662
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,000
Yeah.

663
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:09,000
Oh no.

664
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:10,000
Oh no.

665
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:14,000
I must challenge some of these things really Jimmy.

666
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,000
Challenge that woman.

667
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,000
Yes I will.

668
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:20,000
But why do we have to have these contests like that.

669
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:26,000
That young man over there who just said he felt there'd be no life in other planets because

670
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,000
of all those things.

671
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,000
They would be in different conditions.

672
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,000
Their attitude to us would be different.

673
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:38,000
The young lady in the front said we have got to change and got to go surely we have got

674
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:39,000
to do this.

675
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:46,000
Now why do we assume that the sources are going to attack us or anything like that.

676
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,000
I honestly don't see the logic of this.

677
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,000
Technically this is there as a jump in logic.

678
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,000
It is mere emotionalism.

679
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:59,000
As is the statement that everything is merely a savior myth.

680
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,000
That's merely a nulliform of emotionalism.

681
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,000
OK.

682
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:04,000
I'm sure.

683
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,000
Right.

684
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:13,000
The doctor asked that he wants evidence about superior people.

685
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:19,000
Could it be that Jesus Christ was a Martian?

686
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,000
Doctor Kit.

687
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:22,000
Doctor Kit.

688
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:34,000
I hold the view that there is very little evidence that Jesus Christ only existed at all.

689
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,000
Right.

690
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,000
Keith Robertson.

691
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,000
I'm using the word at the market.

692
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:46,000
Well I'd like to reply to that by saying that it is our belief that Jesus Christ or the

693
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,000
Christ was in fact a New Sin.

694
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:51,000
He says so in revelations himself.

695
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:57,000
I'm of the house and root of David meaning I come through the family of David and of

696
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,000
the bright and morning star.

697
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,000
Right.

698
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:02,000
Come on.

699
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:08,000
It's very the more in a space that then explored greenish reported that the surface is sealed

700
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:14,000
in utter darkness beneath a poisonous atmosphere at a temperature hot enough to melt metal.

701
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,000
Well I'd like to come back with that.

702
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,000
Right.

703
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:23,000
I was saying that a few years ago the Russians and the Americans made a spectrographic analysis

704
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:30,000
of the atmosphere of this earth and they found that there was no oxygen on earth.

705
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:36,000
In other words you and I don't exist with each where a figment of each other's imagination

706
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,000
and that actually happened.

707
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,000
No oxygen on earth according to scientific data.

708
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:50,000
Now if they can make a mistake about this planet or the mind boggles at the mistake they

709
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,000
can make over viewing nozzle in it.

710
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:53,000
Over there.

711
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:58,000
I don't think we can only consider this life in our solar system.

712
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,000
Do you have to.

713
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:03,000
Life is teeming throughout the galaxy throughout the universe.

714
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:04,000
Right.

715
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:08,000
There are some more hands up there that have been put down I think because we had to do

716
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:09,000
that.

717
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:15,000
That may be one just now which landed by parachute in that four thousand degree centigrade.

718
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:21,000
Why didn't the parachute burn up and which was the radio transmitter used by the Russians

719
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:26,000
which lasted for nine and a half and four thousand degrees centigrade.

720
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:33,000
In other words we're about to be very open in our minds about what the conditions are

721
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,000
just to put one more.

722
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:40,000
Sorry Dr. Kitt was accused of emotionalism and people who looked at flying saucers as

723
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:48,000
being hostile were accused of emotionalism but you know to look at them as being positive

724
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:54,000
having positively good things values for us as well as equally emotional and the sort

725
01:00:54,000 --> 01:01:00,000
of tape recording that was put across could not be accepted as evidence of anything except

726
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:05,000
that this man's thought processes Dr. King's thought process.

727
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,000
That's right but if you're not scientific evidence.

728
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:09,000
Sorry.

729
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,000
The other three thousand quantities.

730
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:15,000
So the last piece of music now from Steelers Wheel.

731
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:37,000
We'll give you the name of the group again because it's a fairly new name.

732
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:43,000
It's called Steelers as in Feesh Steelers Wheel and it's this thing as I'm sure it was that

733
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:44,000
last time I heard about that.

734
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:51,000
Mr. Roving that condense of this young lady on the front with the model resting in her lap

735
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,000
there.

736
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:56,000
Now would you like to explain to me just what that model is in your lap.

737
01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:03,000
This is a model of a flying saucer with a start craft actually we call this.

738
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:13,000
They are mostly remote controlled about 35 feet in diameter and usually equipped with

739
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:21,000
all kinds of scientific and creative and they are sent to monitor conditions on the planet

740
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,000
on the planet.

741
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:26,000
The big question is how do you know.

742
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:37,000
This has been taken from a photograph that a man called George Adams key took and it

743
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:41,000
was scaled down and the model was made from the scale of this photograph.

744
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,000
It's a very famous photograph.

745
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:44,000
I'm sure.

746
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,000
Right.

747
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:46,000
Right.

748
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,000
Now I think I saw what I wanted to do now.

749
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:53,000
I went to ask Keith Robertson what about she ladies and gentlemen of the radio.

750
01:06:53,000 --> 01:07:00,000
We called this program Friday night and this is now the 10th of December correct me if

751
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,000
I'm wrong.

752
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:05,000
As we record it goes up on Sunday it's a bit of a trap.

753
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:13,000
Now then please tell me about the spaceship from Mars which your people believe is now

754
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:14,000
in air forbids.

755
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:21,000
Well this is a craft something quite enormous in proportion about three times the size of

756
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,000
an aircraft carrier.

757
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:28,000
It all bits at one thousand five hundred and fifty miles up.

758
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:38,000
It is totally invisible in so far as it's able to absorb radar particles in which case

759
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:42,000
they don't get returned to the scopes.

760
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:52,000
It is there for one reason only and that is to pick out every man woman child that is

761
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:59,000
giving service to others on this earth and during these times it's here it beams that

762
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:06,000
individual with certain energies in order to make their work on this earth that much more

763
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:07,000
potent.

764
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:13,000
And when I say people giving service I mean nurses doctors people are praying for world

765
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:19,000
peace and enlightenment anybody that's doing something good for the community as a whole.

766
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:25,000
So therefore can we expect to see it from time to ever if you say it's a three thousand

767
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:31,000
times potency can we expect to see in the very near future a great moving towards greater

768
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:32,000
peace in the world.

769
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:39,000
I believe so that out of the terrible turmoil we have at the moment will come what we can

770
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,000
call the golden millennium or the aquarium.

771
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:51,000
This is entirely up to the actions of mankind on this earth.

772
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,000
It may take a thousand years.

773
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:56,000
It may take two thousand years.

774
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:07,000
I think the first thing we have to do before putting all the responsibility for our improvement

775
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:13,000
on an invisible time shift is to recognize that we are the people who are responsible for

776
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:19,000
this and if we try to aggregate our responsibility by this and hope to begin to receive external

777
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,000
help without internal effort I think the experience.

778
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,000
You are quite right.

779
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:25,000
Right.

780
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:31,000
It means the effort on the part of people on this earth in order to make this whole scheme

781
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:32,000
work.

782
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:33,000
Right.

783
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:34,000
Yes.

784
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:35,000
I must.

785
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:36,000
Hang on.

786
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:37,000
Yes.

787
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:42,000
If we could publish that some unidentified sign objects from the atmosphere not hostile

788
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:49,000
and what we're going to gain by by establishing their existence if they do exist.

789
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:51,000
Well, but not to say.

790
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:52,000
I wouldn't know.

791
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:53,000
You know, first five.

792
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:54,000
But not to say.

793
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:55,000
I'm just.

794
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,000
I think the point goes the way I do.

795
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:04,000
I'm glad that we all agreed on this that it generates humanity must solve its own problems

796
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:05,000
by itself.

797
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:10,000
There will be help perhaps from outside but to aggregate and save the others are going

798
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:11,000
to do the job for us.

799
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:17,000
I think would be a great mistake and one which clearly the source of context which come in

800
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:21,000
many voices not just chance and so forth.

801
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:24,000
Say you've got to do the job yourself.

802
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:25,000
Right.

803
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:26,000
Thank you.

804
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,000
Right.

805
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,000
I've written the microphone to somebody.

806
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:30,000
Right.

807
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:35,000
I just want to add something about what we said earlier about Jesus Christ and being a Christian

808
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,000
right.

809
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,000
I'm quite surprised at believing fancies.

810
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,000
There's nothing in the Bible against them.

811
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:46,000
And yes, I won't agree with just taking one voice as the Bible and saying that Jesus Christ

812
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:50,000
was a part of our system.

813
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:56,000
I think you read the Bible properly then you see that Jesus Christ and God are outside

814
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,000
our system outside time.

815
01:10:58,000 --> 01:10:59,000
Right.

816
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:02,000
I'm going to go on to the end of the rundown.

817
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:03,000
I was going to say.

818
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:06,000
I'd like to ask you to watch friend.

819
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:11,000
Just posing a few questions and talk to the London within this month.

820
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:15,000
Would there be any sort of procedure for this?

821
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,000
And the procedure for it.

822
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,000
For giving one if it could.

823
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,000
I haven't explained it.

824
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:22,000
Yes.

825
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:23,000
Right.

826
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:24,000
Yes.

827
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:25,000
And then we want to find a side here.

828
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:27,000
Give the microphone back to that gentleman there.

829
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:28,000
Yeah.

830
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:29,000
Keep answering the question there.

831
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:32,000
So, didn't the friend side there if he could deal with it if it came?

832
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:33,000
Yes, sir.

833
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:40,000
Going back to Mary now and saying that the atmosphere out there is poisonous to humans.

834
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:45,000
How do we know that this isn't the ideal condition for other forms of life?

835
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:46,000
Right.

836
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:47,000
Right.

837
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:49,000
Go to the end of there Mr. Rowan.

838
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:52,000
Because we're running out with about 30 seconds left.

839
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,000
Go to that one this way.

840
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:57,000
Go to that one there.

841
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:04,000
I can remember one glorious occasion about five years ago when the National Press really

842
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:09,000
had a beautiful picture of a flying saucer and all the inside pages.

843
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:15,000
It turned out that two RAF sergeants had done a beautiful spoon.

844
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:16,000
Thank you.

845
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,000
We'll order the other.

846
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:21,000
We have a genuine right.

847
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:24,000
I was wrong at the time.

848
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:25,000
We were right after that.

849
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:27,000
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, dear friend.

850
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:28,000
We have no time.

851
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:32,000
Next week, Speak Easy comes from Cardiff where we're going to talk about the Welsh language.

852
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,000
Yachidat, the woman of.

853
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:35,000
Thank you all for coming down.

854
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:36,000
We've got to thank Dr Kit Padlow.

855
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:37,000
We've got to thank Nex.

856
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:38,000
Dr Kit Padlow and Keith.

857
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:39,000
Thank you all, ladies and gentlemen.

858
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:40,000
Let's see you next week.

859
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:41,000
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860
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